Thoughts on the Message of Bill Johnson and Bethel Church

Q: I am curious about the Bethel Church with Bill Johnson. My church is getting into their music, teaching, and conferences. What advice can you give me?

A: This is a very, very, toxic ministry. I wrote about this in principle in a book called Counterfeit Revival: Looking for God in All the Wrong Places. In that book, what I do is contrast genuine revival from the kinds of things that you are going to find at Bethel Church in Redding, California, with Bill Johnson as the senior pastor.

There are others like Todd White — now the newest rage in these Christian circles. He has tens of thousands of followers. Why? Because he is promising that as he walks through crowds, as he walks through malls, as he goes about his daily life, people are getting healed left and right from all kinds of maladies. And so, there is a great, great propaganda machine that backs him up: Charisma magazine. You have big churches that start talking about it. Pretty soon, very much like what happened with the Counterfeit Revival in Pensacola, Florida, people start flocking to the scene.

The hell of it, if you will, those people who are most desperate — and when you are sick, I can tell you from personal experience, if you are not enveloped in a cloak of peace, you can get very desperate — you want to be healed. This world has its good points (we know the next world’s a lot better), but all of us feel like we have a mission to complete in this world, and so you want to be healed. I still remember with great pain in my heart when I was writing the book Counterfeit Revival, hearing the story of a man whose baby had just died. He was so desperate for a resurrection, and he was listening to a Counterfeit Revivalist in Pensacola, Florida. He drove all the way across the country with a dead baby in an ice chest, a baby on ice, drives across the country, you can imagine the agonizing experience, only to find when he gets there, it is all a hoax. This is precisely what Bill Johnson is unfortunately perpetrating.

They have their healing rooms. They have their schools of supernatural ministry. They emphasize the need of believers to return to a ministry of signs and wonders. They consider miracles, signs, and wonders to be a norm. Now, do I believe in healing? I absolutely do. I absolutely do. But, through proper means. Not through a con artist’s sleight-of-hand / sleight-of-mind kind of shenanigans.

If you look at the theology of Bethel Church, what you in essence find is the theology of a very capricious God. Not only that, but you find loads and loads of examples of the supernatural that really are not examples at all. In other words, this is being hyped. Johnson tells of God having a storehouse of body parts. He says,

Years ago, one of our students had an encounter with the Lord. It was really quite bizarre. In heaven she actually saw this room with spare body parts. You say, “Well that doesn’t exist in heaven.” I don’t know. I haven’t seen it. But she did. And she was with Chris ministering down in Santa Rosa, I think it was. And a gal came up that was in a head-on collision, had really messed up her legs. Used to be a dancer and had very little function….and she says, “I don’t even have a kneecap.” Well, the gal who’d seen the spare parts room in heaven says, “Well, I’ll get one for you.” That’s like, that’s got to be like the ultimate response ever! “Well, I’ll get one for you.” She reaches her arm like this, she brings it down, lays hands on the knees and within fifteen minutes, she has a new knee cap.

Here we have a warehouse in heaven and the spare parts are coming down. This is a common occurrence. In his theology, you are not to pray, “Thy will be done.” This is a nonstarter in this community.

If you look at the Bible, Jesus prays, “Nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done” (Luke 22:44 KJV). The apostle Paul teaches us to pray in this manner. Peter teaches us to pray in this manner. Who can forget the apostle James? The words ought to be familiar to all of us. Chapter 4 of his epistles says, “Now listen, you who say, ‘Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.’” Then James says, “Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.” Here are the operative words: “Instead, you ought to say, ‘If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that’ As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil” (James 4:13–16 NIV). The reason that I bring that up specifically is because in an article that we did in the Christian Research Journal (I do believe it is up on the Web right now), there is an article entitled “Off the Map: Johnson and the Pursuit of Extrabiblical Authentication,” an article written by Bob Hunter. This article really goes into the excesses that you will find in this ministry. In fact, it has a section on what Bill Johnson and company believe when it comes to Christ praying, “If it be thy will.”

I can tell you, having now gone through a bone marrow biopsy, and waiting for the results, the greatest thing in my prayer is to be in the center of God’s will. That is what I really care about. I’ve had a cough that has plagued me for many, many months. It has been undiagnosed, and I have been praying about this, and praying about this, and praying about this, but, always in the context of “if it be your will Lord,” because I have found — I have been on this a long time — I have found that God teaches you so much in your suffering and sorrows. C. S. Lewis said it is His megaphone to a deaf world.

—Hank Hanegraaff

This blog is adapted from the May 2, 2017, Bible Answer Man broadcast.

61 Responses to Thoughts on the Message of Bill Johnson and Bethel Church

  1. paula downing says:

    It is so important to read Counterfeit Revival so that people KNOW what to look out for!

    • Jane Dickinson says:

      I have been so totally blessed with my husband at the ministry of this church and its leaders. It is so refreshing to listen to their loving, heartfelt messages, I have been a Christian for 51 years, studied theology at a Bible College in New Zealand devoted to the Word and taught there also and have been so encouraged especially as my husband has had 6 heart operations since 2005 and Bethel’s teaching has helped us to continue to believe in a God who wants to heal, is always good and Holy but will see us through each and every trial with or without divine healing. How sad, and how often Christians feel the need to attack other parts of the body, it is one of the things I love about Bethel and their ministry, they will not do it. I pray that you will all listen to a wide array of messages, not just read a book of criticism to maybe get a more rounded idea of what is preached, God’s blessings on you all, Jane Dickinson

      • Rebecca Henderson says:

        Jane Dickinson, said perfectly. I don’t like ministries that are tearing others down. It is ALWAYS a red flag for me. They will know we are Christians by our love.

        • Roz says:

          Scripture says “you shall know them by their fruit”. I came out of the “signs and wonders” movement. While I’m still Pentecostal at heart, and I do attend a church that believes in the baptism of the Holy Spirit as it happened on the day of Pentecost, I do not believe what some of these apostolic churches are teaching. It’s just not sound doctrine. And scripture says we are to warn other believers against such doctrines.

          • Teresa` says:

            Roz, I have attended a Bethel Church Conference in Tennessee some years ago. I was fooled by their explanations and believed because I did receive a healing while there….BUT! After searching the scriptures and referring to the notes I took, I realized that the Word of God was being twisted to fit their interpretations–mostly over small, insignificant phrases or words taken out of context. These Prophets, as they called themselves, seemed to be pointing out things in the Word that were not being presented and swearing up and down that all of it was true. The hype of healing seemed to radiate all about the room, as people lined up to declare their “healings” after a corporate prayer was said. Then I realized that the gold teeth, the glitter, the feathers falling from the sky, and last but not least, the “grave soaking” ideas were really out in left field! I had to break up a perfectly good relationship with an older woman due to her decision not to “throw the baby out with the bathwater”, as she put it.As far as I know, she is still involved with this ministry, and it is scary.

          • Teresa says:

            Roz, it spells it out very well, in the quote, “You shall know them by their fruit”. A couple of years ago I began a relationship with an older woman, who seemed to love the Lord. She was always belaboring the lack of the supernatural in our society today. She asserted that mankind turned away from God for their healings when He could have done them. Medicines and such had taken over a faithless society, she said. She was teaching a
            class for addicts and alcoholics then, but I hear that she no longer does so. We (her husband, she, and myself) took a trip to Tennessee to seek out Bill Johnson’s ministry. While there I was totally overwhelmed over the great healings people were attributing to God and to their ministry. The room was electric. My mind’s thoughts were being echoed in the Bethel Music musicians…really, the music was very powerful.
            I believed then that my hip, which felt as if it was out of socket (I could barely walk) was healed; I walked out of there that first day with no limp or anything. People throughout the room had lined up to state their healing.
            However, the “prophets” who spoke only referenced small phrases in the Word of God and interpreted them as prophetic, a verification of what they were claiming for others. They even pretended to, I believe, know the situations of the people they singled out in the room, telling them God’s Word for them. The over-all impression I had was one of deceit and that these interactions actually were pre-conceived and staged. But when I heard that same friend say on the trip home “Do you believe in the BLuuuud?” without even pretending not to mock the concept, a red flag went up immediately.
            Anyway, God doesn’t put “gold teeth” in our mouths, and angels feathers don’t fall out of the ceiling, and glitter on a person does not signify that an angel has been with you. Add to that the “GRAVE-SOAKING”, and I was no longer interested, and even though I told my friend not to let them brainwash her, she said they did such good miracles, that she didn’t believe in “throwing the baby out with the bathwater”.
            I hope and pray she finally comes around and repents, but her walk is not my own; all I can do is “be mindful of myself”, as Jesus warned us.

        • John Lehman says:

          Do not mistake criticism for warnings from a brother or a sister which is also motivated by love. Do not mistake correction or rebuke as negative talk that you must not be around because the word of God is profitable for correction and rebuke. If a prophet prophesies and it does not come to pass or is found to be in error and especially says “I’m not responsible for my prophesy” that prophet is not a prophet of God and so beware of such a person for their judgment is from God.

    • Wes says:

      “Jesus told them, “Go back to John and tell him what you have heard and seen— the blind see, the lame walk, those with leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised to life, and the Good News is being preached to the poor.””
      ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:4-5‬ ‭NLT‬‬

    • Alec says:

      Doesn’t the Bible say something about not being judgmental? You’re not doing a great job.

  2. Adele says:

    There’s such a perfect peace in praying ‘Thy will be done’. I have been through three heart surgeries and may need another, which may or may not fix my arrhythmia issues, but knowing He is accomplishing His will in my life is what makes these trials bearable. Even when I miss my music ministry and people lament to me that God HAS to heal me, I remind them that His will is far more important to me than healing. God bless you as you continue to point people to the One who will ultimately heal us all!

    • HettyB says:

      The will of God for you is to be in good health (3 John 1:2). So rebuke the sickness and claim your healing by faith.
      Mathew 7:7-11
      Mark 16:15-18

      Don’t let anyone deceive you with their ignorance, let the Bible itself tell you about God. Signs and wonders have not stopped, miracles have not stopped. Jesus prayed for the disciples and prayed for you too in John 17:20. If you have given your heart to Jesus and you believe in His Word, don’t sit down and pray thy will be done, but rather pray this way;
      “Father, I thank you for your will for my life. I thank you that Jesus died for my sins and has forgiven me all my trespasses. Your Word says in Hebrew 4:16, that I should come boldly before the throne of grace to obtain mercy and help. I thank you that through the blood of Jesus I’m cleansed from all unrighteousness by your mercy, and I thank you that your will for me above all things is to prosper and be in good health even as my soul propers
      (3 John 1:2). Your Word is your will for me, and your Word says in 1John 5:14, that if I pray according to your will you hear me. Father, according to John 16:23, your Word says whatever I ask in the name of Jesus Christ your son, you will give it to me. Your Word says in Mathew 7:7, that I should ask and it shall be given. Your Word says in Colossians 1:13, that you have delivered me from the power of darkness and has translated me into the Kingdom of your son Jesus Christ. Father, I stand upon the promise of your Word and I rebuke the demonic operations of Satan in my life. I rebuke sicknesses and diseases and I break the chains and bondages of the devil over my life, in the name of Jesus. I release my faith to trust you for total healing and deliverance in every area of my life. By the authority of God in my life, I bind you spirit of infirmity that has plagued my life with sicknesses and diseases, in the name of Jesus. I take back the good health that God has given me in the name of Jesus. I receive my healing in Jesus name. I decree by the power of the Word of God, that sicknesses and diseases will no longer rule my life, I will not die prematurely, I will live in joy, good health and sound mind. In the name of Jesus Christ. ……………………

  3. Buddy Buddin says:

    Wonderful and exciting news, I do hope and pray that Hank recovers well through the chemo process, however if I’m ever in the same situation, needing chemo, I will decline indeed, I’ve seen too many suffer the barbaric aftermath, it just doesn’t sit well with me. This has nothing at all to do with Hank and his decision or especially his faithful works of study along with his show. I’m a proud listener and learner of the show. I love the new set up on f/b, I believe it will be greatly successful and very much needed.
    Thanks again for the many years of blessings…!!!

  4. Buddy Buddin says:

    As for Bill Johnson and his “show”… I agree with Hank, and it’s getting more dangerous as we get closer and closer to the end.
    It seems as though people, Christiin or not are flocking to the easy way, the watered down Word and are wiling to believe in man instead of God….
    Enough said, I like you are flawed by sin stained allusions that try so desperately to cover His Truth….

    • Alec says:

      I go to Bethel Church. My life has changed dramatically. I used to be going down a really bad road. Everything I have learned here has allowed and helped me learn how to know God’s love for me, stop hating myself and love others more. If the church was full of demonic spirits, it wouldn’t be causing people to love more. Because God is love. And perfect love casts out fear and fear brings punishment. I don’t judge people, I don’t mind other types of Christianity, there’s Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Baptist etc. we all believe in Jesus and what He did for us on the cross. Please don’t attack other churches. The core of our beliefs are all the same. It revolves around Jesus.

  5. Nancy Brinton says:

    Though I’m leaving this reply, I’m wondering if it will actually make it to this website, as it will absolutely contradict what has been written here. But in all good conscience, I must reply. First of all, I’m not hearing you address the innumerable healings, signs, wonders and miracles that ARE taking place through this ministry all over the world. Nor are you mentioning the many Scriptures that, in essence, declare that we walk in the same authority that Jesus did. Remember “we ARE seated with Him in the heavenlies” and “the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead, lives in us”. Oh, and there’s that bit about how just a little faith can move mountains, and that we are ‘more than conquerors’. The least of which is Jesus declaring that those who follow Him WILL ‘heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the leper and cast out demons’. I exhort you to elevate your spirit above your mind, and allow yourselves to believe that we are supernatural beings, because Holy Spirit lives in us, and He can do anything He wants through us. Whoever said this is the ‘easy way’ hasn’t tried it. Walking in true faith and trust in God and His Word takes continual courage and determination. Seems to me it’s easy to sit back and say ‘whatever is is His will’ instead of realizing our responsibility to walk in the the authority He’s given us, to be the salt and light by actually ‘imitating Jesus’ as Paul exhorted us. I’m all for being the Body of Christ, and to me, that means ‘doing what He did’ as we continue His work. He’s the model. And Bill Johnson and Bethel Church come closer to demonstrating that model than all the anemic churches that pick and choose what parts of Jesus’ life they will imitate. I’m guessing, anything but what may appear ‘supernatural’!!!!

    • Life Interupted says:

      Question, what is your take on the teachings of Benni Johnson summoning Angels in the desert, or the children’s Ministry @ Bethel taking young children on “Guided trips to heaven ” or Bethel’s heavy endorsement of Shawn Bowls, who claims to have a vision of Jesus and an Angel giving him the “spiritual keys ” to unlock and restore secrets unknown to us until now. Or Brain Simmons who has written a new “Translation” of the bible to more “accurately portray the heart and message of God” after being “taken up to heaven and finding books of the bible unknown to us like John 22.
      It seems to me that we have a few modern day Joseph Smith’s with “new revalation aND insight” just like the Mormon/LDS church.

      I had very similar mindset as you not long ago, but the more I dug into the real word of God on my own and with a fair amount of knowledge of the mormon beliefs and other churches that have added to the true gospel, the more I saw dangerous error in the teachings at Bethel. I have attended classes put on by Kris Vallotton, and been through part of Bethel’s SOZO healing. The teachings are very “NEW AGE, CHRISTIAN MYSTIC. Yes we are called to imitate Christ, to give our lives to live for him, just as he sacraficed his life for us. Jesus laid down his life for us, fully submitted to the will of God. We live to serve him, Yes! we are called to pray for the sick, Yes I believe in a powerful and mighty God who is able to do all things. But the message often taught from Bethel is a Gospel of miracles and healing. Not the gospel of Repentance and forgiveness through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If the Christian Churches accept the non biblical teachings of Bethel because of their “good works/fruit ” then how are we any different than any other false religion?

      In the Charasmatic circles, It seems that, to question the teachings of Bill Johnson is near equal to questioning God himself. It is scary that he and people likeep Hiedi Baker are becoming “infallible ” to the Christian community, just like the pope is to catholics. As you listen to the teachings of Bethel, I would urge you (or anyone to compare what they are teaching to the bible. Some of their teachings are very sound, but some are in stark contrast with the bible. You can view any of the above topics on YouTube with a quick search.

      • Diana says:

        I am replying to statements about Heidi Baker. My sister went through the Iris School of Ministry to serve in Mozambique with Heidi Baker’s Ministry. The work that she and her husband, Roland, are doing in this country are the very heart of Christ. Children are fed, healed, blessed and given hope. Why would you or anyone try to tear down the blessings extended in the Name of Jesus to the world? Until you walk behind her several years and undergo the hardship of just trying to survive in that God forsaken land, please do not try to tear down the very work that God is doing. While serving as a minissionary there, it was a daily focus to survive, walking miles to get water, losing vast amount of weigh because of almost no food, no medicine to heal simple things like a tooth abscess so watching people die. Seeing witchcraft control so many, YET, GOD moved in and healed many sick, multiplies food for starving children and your want to cast stones. You are missing out on some of the greatest blesssing of God as He prepares this world for His return.

      • Pamela McLaughlin says:

        I’ve just started watching Bill Johnson I’ve been very blessed by his teachings… Jesus said we will do greater works than he did … that signs and wonders shall follow us that we will heal the sick,all sickness is not physical and a spiritual healing far exceeds the physical… Jesus also said he wanted to heal but couldn’t for there unbelief… we never no why God heal some immediately and others not at all but I believe the greatest healing is in dying sometimes although we hang onto the temperalas Christians sometimes more than on the Eternal in Ecclesiastics it says the day of your death is better than the day of your birth…also to be absent in the body is to be present with Christ we need to see the things of God through spiritual eyes God says his ways are not our ways … but healing is real and happening… God knows our heart … maybe people just want the healing and not the healer… ❤

    • John Ernst says:

      Thank you Nancy. I like listening to Bill Johnson although it’s been very little, so I cant speak about him specifically. But this whole notion that churches that demonstrate healing are heretical because in their church people die of cancer at the same ratio as the world makes me literally sick to my stomach. I’m not angry at them I don’t look down at them, it’s just sad. It’s sad that about 1/3 of the early ministry was kicking out demons and healing the sick and Jesus commanded us to go and do likewise but now if your church walks in that power of Jesus other churches will say you must be demonic, or heretical, or dangerous. I guess it’s dangerous if you don’t just sit in a pue and die. I don’t go to a church that believes in healing but I was nonetheless healed of cancer by Jesus with no chemo or radiation or treatment of any kind. Jesus gave me faith, his word, and a tongue to speak. I also surrounded myself with Gods healing preachers and those with testimonies of being healed and I ran as fast as I could from doctors words and conventional Christians, I literally could not spend 10 seconds with anyone who wanted to console me, made me physically ill to be in their presence. Nonetheless we are all the body of Christ, praise the Lord Jesus!

    • Carol says:

      Satan can also do counterfeit miracles. Jesus warns of an adulterous nation who seeks after signs an wonders. It also warns that even the elect can be deceived. I believe we have become a church that goes after the newest fad of wonders as if our Lord Jesus needs help to spice up His word. I suggest we all stay in the word and not follow a “man” trying to steal glory.

      • Courtney says:

        I tend to agree with you, Nancy in that nearly all revivals have had excesses and yet, we have to discern the fruit and whether we are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
        Too many in the evangelical stream (and I am in one) forget that Jesus IS the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that believers (already believers) were told to wait for the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to come upon them for ministry. Just as by an Act of God, we are made alive in Christ, so are we seated/placed by him in heavenly places where we rule and reign in many respects.
        The Church has lived too much beneath this God appointed position and just barely hangs on.
        It is no wonder the church in he west is sufficiently failing to convert and bring deliverance to those in a highly secular/rational culture.

        We have not because we ask not. Ask, seek, knock, and then yield. God may surprise the church

        `Satan can also sow discord and tell people that REAL miracles are counterfeit.

    • HettyB says:

      Nancy, it’s shocking indeed. It’s amazing how people can accept anything but truth. By the way, Bill Johnson’s teachings are for those who have a deeper relationship with the Lord. Those who fellowship with God from the ‘outer court’ won’t understand it and will never even accept that there is more to being a Christian than just going to Church. Psalm25:14 says “ the secret of the Lord is with them that fear Him, and He will show them His covenant “. Let’s press on for more and leave the critics to their criticism. Stay strong and focused.

  6. Frank Sperling says:

    I completely agree with you Nancy, Bethel church and Bill Johnson are authentic, After all Jesus did say ” I am the way, the truth, and the life “. Are you walking in the “way” with Jesus ? if not you cannot come to the father, nor can you “know ” the truth, or experience ” the life”

    • Linda Murphy says:

      I also agree …the devil would love for us to argue among each other. Satan only kills and destroys and lies. We need to link arm and arm fighting the powers of the demonic realm. People criticizing other christians are blind and foolish and need to get closer to God and pray for fruits of the spirit. Would Jesus critize others trying to heal others and bring peace and strength. Think about it. He was annoyed with his disciples when they doubted themselves.

  7. Glen grant says:

    I broke fellowship with a baptist congregation in priince George bc Canada over this issue they movers and shakers in our congregation we’re going down to Redding for johnsons supernatural schools of ministry I went to the pastor about it and he didn’t agree with them but was unwilling to to upset the apple art he is afraid it would split his church apart so I quietly left

    • Ed May says:

      I completely agree with Glen Grant, Life Interupted and Hank.
      A young family woman from our church here in England who had been fighting cancer for years went to Toronto for healing, at the last session she was thrown to the ground and had to leave crawling on her hands and knees, months later she died. She was a lovely woman and devout Christian, now thankfully at rest with the Lord.
      This blessing from Toronto? Came over to our town in England and I attended a few different sessions, one I cant speak about because the spiritual experience for me was to awful to comment on, a second was at my church where a prominent leader was endorsing this movement to 400 plus Christians. A man stood up to warn everyone to beware of this teaching; he was booed, and then thrown out. I left also. Unfortunately my wife was drawn into it and this caused a rift between us.
      Later in the year we attended New Wine, a protégé of Bill Johnson preached all week, then at the end Johnson showed up and preached a message condemning anyone who spoke out and against Todd Bentley. I left New Wine incredibly discouraged, strange really, as you’re meant to leave feeling uplifted and emboldened for Christ.
      The whole experience very nearly broke up our marriage, but we left that church and attended another where we found healing and our marriage has been restored. Thanks to the Lord our God, we now attend a small Church in our local community as leaders following Jesus Christ our Lord, not men like Johnson.

      • Keith Jefferson says:

        Thankyou….my church is linked to the New Wine movement…..I wondered whether Johnson had ever been to NW…..I have recently been told that NW leaders are distancing themselves from Johnson.

  8. E. Canencia says:

    I am grieved that you continue to propitiate division in His body. Hank (and you’re followers), is it really His will that you have cancer? Hank is it really His will that you have a continual cough that you have to pray and pray about? Deuteronomy 28 says not. If it’s His will that you be sick in order to be taught, why then did Jesus go about healing all were sick and oppressed of the devil? (Matthew 4:23, Acts 10:38) And why did He tell us we would do greater works than these because He was going to the Father? (John 14:12) What are the greater works? If only you would believe the Word, instead of thinking that God needs a sheriff patrolling His body. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. Why can’t you see that you are actually working against God by accusing the followers of Christ? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Fear God!

    • Lana says:

      They are not causing division in His Church.. because that church is not His. I came out of the signs and wonders movement. I’m not an outsider looking in. I was in it..and thankfully I found truth. No one is disputing that healing is real, it’s the making man godlike and on the same level as Jesus that makes this movement complete nonesense. The Bible even teaches that false teachers would also do miracles, healings, signs and wonders and even the elect would be deceived. I’ve done Sozos and attended all the classes.. IT IS NOT BIBLICALLY SOUND. I hope you find truth..I hope you aren’t one of the ones who have to hear “depart from me you evil doer I never knew you”. We should be seeking Christ himself..not just his manifestations. If you’re interested in truth, search it out. Ask God to reveal the truth to you.

  9. Dave says:

    Don’t anything about cancer but if you made a negative comment regarding this that’s sick feel very sad for your heart is in the wrong place.

    almost of theses reported healings are from a friend of a friend I seen nothing verifiable

    If you have more question regarding this here are some resources:
    following books:
    God’s Super-Apostles: Encountering the Worldwide Prophets and Apostles Movement
    by R.Douglas Geivett (Author),‎ Holly Pivec (Author)

    A New Apostolic Reformation?: A Biblical Response to a Worldwide Movement
    by R.Douglas Geivett (Author),‎ Holly Pivec (Author)

    also Youtube:

    Everything I see from them evolves around ego and elevating them self, not God. Who decides to call them selfs apostles only true apostles of God have seen/witness the resurrected Jesus , so now their time travelers as well, as I said ego and elevated oneself.

    • I thank the Lord who died for our sin and now we have the benefits of all from healing to living. It is so sad that Christians do not want to take up their weapons and fight their war. I have been suffering from evil attacks in my dreams. For all my life since my childhood all of my activities were in a mess. I moved from one church to the other, but by the Grace of the Father i survived. I decided to start reading the Bible, devote my self to the word of God more that any other activities. I ended up getting a lot of fruitful information from different spiritual books from different believers including how i ended up in this site of Bill Johnson.

      I am not against or in with Bill, but as Jesus said we have no right to Judge others we have one Master who will do it. And Jesus warned us to be very very vigilant because many will come in His name, they will perform miracles but not from me. And Jesus advised us to listen to their words but we should not follow their behavior. I could see now that as i started to grow my faith i am now an overcome in many many basic evils that have been tormenting my memory and their habits. i can now be with confident advice people on how to overcome toxic thoughts, how to apply the words of God in different areas of their need as long as they are quoting scriptures that fight that spirit. Unfortunately we are lazy, ignorant, victims of our world evils including our ancestors inequity, do not help others because we, we are fine, we do not appreciate the power (glory) of our Father and the Authority of the Believers that we have received through the Blood of Jesus.

      I am now praying that The Lord in Heaven will help us so that His Children who are doing His work but in Captivity of Satan will be released and they will continue to do their work in Jesus Name. Let us pray that we will pray for others if we are to fight and grow our faith. There is no sickness and demons in this world that we cannot overcome, but if we allow Lucifer to continue and deceive and capture our True Believer we won’t fight his Kingdom anymore.

      Where Bill Johnson is not inline with God’s word let us pray and inform Him to come and do all that are in line with scripture. No one is perfect but what are we doing as Human being to help others?

      Whatever we ask in our Father’s name will be granted in the Name of Jesus Christ.

      The word of God is Spirit and the Spirit is Life. The Word is not going to die because of false teaching, as it is already paid for By the Blood of the Son of the Men; Amen.

      • Christopher Awani says:

        Thanks for this comment Otille, it’s a really inspired one. God bless you.

        It’s just that we are all guilty of judging one another, and not rightly so, ignoring the Lord’s warning in Romans 2:1-3. There is no “perfect” ministry on earth right now, but if we are sincerely staying under the leadership of the Holy Spirit, and earnestly learning to be guided by the doctrine and balance of the scriptures, I think we will do well in glorifying our Lord Jesus Christ. Yet it is agonizing to see that we are quite unlearned to tell the difference between doctrinal imbalances (which we all have) and outright heresies.

        Doctrinal imbalances are teachings on faith that are not properly grounded in the scriptures hence, may prove misleading in some respects, while heresies are specifically aimed at denying the divinity, personality, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the effect that His mercy and grace, and the leadership of the Holy Spirit should have in bringing us to definite conformity to the image of Christ, unto God’s glory.

        In the face of Doctrinal imbalances, we ought to exhort one another and pray (as you rightly proposed, yet in the face of heresies, we MUST condemn the practices. However I’m of the opinion that in this matter, we have mostly misplaced our judgement.

        God bless you, and happy new month of June 2018 to you!

  10. Laureen Glasscock says:

    I have been healed so many times, I have to take time and reflect on my whole body to remember all that God has healed. Most of the healings I received took place at the moment I prayed. God has rescued me from disaster at other times, at the perfect time and location to get help. I drove my dad to Bethel to receive prayer for healing, from Seattle to Redding. My dad did not get healed but he got a word from the Lord from one of the people at the Healing Room. He got more than a word. The woman spoke to him for several minutes. He was so astonished that she told him so much about himself, even things only he and God knew, that he was able to believe God was real, more real than he ever understood before. We need to be mindful that God is not limited to what we have been taught. He can do anything. He isn’t limited by our limitations to trust, to believe, and to understand. I trust Bill Johnson. I hear from God. Often I’ve heard from God about something, and that same week, I’ll hear a teaching from Bill that is something God just revealed to him and it confirms what God told me. If we dare to think that God will speak to us, we are a lot more likely to hear from Him.

  11. Lisa Scott says:

    Didn’t Jesus say that He only did what He saw the Father doing? When did He EVER turn someone away who was in need of healing? Where is it recorded in scripture that He asked the Father if it was His will to heal? Didn’t He tell the one man asking for healing that not only was He capable of giving him what he needed—but that He was willing to do so? How many places in the Gospels does it say that Jesus, as He traveled from town to town, healed ALL and delivered ALL who were oppressed of the devil? Signs and wonders are NOT to prove that He is God. It is NOT demanding a sign like the Pharisees asked for, which is the typical excuse for offense of those bothered by the teachings of Bill Johnson and his contemporaries. Every time God heals someone, it is because He LOVES them! He does not change, and He CANNOT be manipulated. Healing is a demonstration of His VAST love! And what is the fruit of such a personal encounter with the God of the universe? The person needing healing now realizes that God knows their name, that He knows where they are, that He knows their situation, that He cares about their life, and that He loves them extravagantly! Frequently, people get saved, and those who are already believers are drawn deeper! And God gets ALL the glory!

  12. Jane says:

    I’ve been there, it’s real, it’s authentic and it brings life. These people are humble and share their vulnerabilities. They love God and are trying their best to serve Him.. Just as most who are reading this are. Don’t judge it, ask the Lord – truely He is the Spirit of Truth. Don’t be one who gets to heaven and finds you have been missing or worse persecuting, His beloved Church. Jesus loves His Church, those who speak against it are in very serious trouble. Focus on Him.

  13. Mike says:

    People are being healed at Bethel. Our pastor was healed from cancer in the parking lot at Bethel. He has documentation of being diagnosed with prostate cancer. He also has documentation of being free of cancer after he received prayer at Bethel.
    I have operated in the gift of healing to see people literally get healed. People who are healed by a touch of God give Him glory. The most recent healing was our mailman. He asked me about my religion since he sees what I get in the mail. I told him we are Pentecostal and believe that the gifts of the Spirit are for today. This was a set up, I wasn’t even praying, I was simply explaining the word of knowledge gift and touched his knee as an example of how God might inform me that God wants to heal his knee. When I touched his knee, He jumped in amazement and began to say, I’m healed!! I’m healed!! What did you do?! I told him that I didn’t do anything, that it was God. This sparked a huge interest in this man. He asked me questions about my faith for weeks until he was transferred to a different route. He also told his co-workers!!
    There have been many, from migraine headaches to bad backs.
    I’m not saying I agree with everything Bill Johnson teaches and endorses, but the gifts and the healings are authentic. I have seen true miracles in my own life, and other people’s lives. I do believe that what Bethel Church teaches about the gifts of the Holy Spirit to be true and that they are for today.
    From what I have heard, there are alot of immature believers in that church. I used to live in Redding, I have visited Bethel twice. I did see many many young people. There are many people there who might not fit into a traditional church. As controversial as Bethel might be, they do reach people for Christ, people who might not feel comfortable in YOUR church, or even worse, not treated well.
    There are some things I don’t like about Bethel, but I do believe that the leadership is genuine in pursuing God’s call on their lives and reaching people for Christ.
    None of us are perfect, not yet anyway…

  14. Ted says:

    So many healings, but so little verification. Those who study placebo effects would never accept testimonies like mentioned in these services to back medical studies – you shouldn’t either – especially since these people are taught to lie in order to get healing.

    These teachers of false doctrines hurt people, promise them health that never comes and then blames them, kill people and say the fault is due to a lack of faith by those who are diseased and suffering. When the disciples (healers in training) could not cast out a demon and heal a boy, they asked Jesus why they couldn’t cast out the demon. They knew they were the ones who could not and Jesus confirmed it by saying their faith was weak – Jesus never told the sick or friends of the sick they lacked faith. He only told his disciples they lacked faith.

    Like Benny Hinn and so many others, Bethel cannot heal any better than a placebo effect can heal.

    Look for the marks of a placebo – often temporary in nature and limited in scope. Most effective with pain. You will not see everyone in the congregation healed by a placebo effect. Jesus healed every type of disease and he healed entire crowds to the last person. A placebo cannot grow bones. When Jesus healed, backs and arms straightened out in front of everyone. You will not see that in Bethel. You will hear testimonies, but then, these people are trained to confess that which does not exist.

    Get out of this teaching. It is not helping you and in fact, is hurting a lot of godly people, struggling with life’s tragedies.

  15. John says:

    I am new to Bill Johnson. I was pulling up a message from my own church on YouTube and this one message from Bill kept popping up, so I clicked on it.

    I have been serving the Lord for over 40 years and have studied scripture all of my adult life. In the 20+ sermons I have heard him preach, there has been nothing heretical in any of it. He preaches proper relationship with God, the fear of the Lord, working with the Holy Spirit and not grieving or quenching Him so that you can walk in all that God created you for. He talks more about the crucified life in Christ than anything else. Focus on God, not what you can get from Him, but also recognize that He will not be mocked and if He says you will receive from Him when you believe, or as fruit of what you have sown.
    He gets to the heart of why most of a dead American Church rarely, if ever, sees a miracle happen in the name of Jesus. Why the American Church has been reduced to an arguing, protesting political machine that has allowed this country to go, basically, to hell (the author used it, so I will as well) while we have our ineffective Sunday services. I think why people get offended at him, besides the reality that they have the capacity to be offended, is because he is preaching the hard way to change our lives and, in turn, this country. How can “Jesus didn’t call His disciples by telling them what they would get for following but by telling them the cost” or “I am looking for a church that can go from persecution to increase to persecution to increase to favor and then increase instead of complacency (because of the Fear of the Lord)” be considered heretical? How can preaching endurance to believe in the promises of God until you get to breakthrough be heretical? You tell me. All I seem to see is those who walk with no power (whitewashed tombs full of dead men’s bones) bashing those who dare to take risk to believe in God and His promises. Blessed is the man who does not sit in the seat of the mocker, right? Might be a good place to start if you want to see the spirit from where these attacks come from.
    I worship no man and will keep testing the spirits to make sure I am not being deceived, but I have heard nothing from him that would point to him being a false prophet or charlatan. If he can impart wisdom from the Word of God to me as I continue to dive into God, then God Bless him.

  16. David Brayshaw says:

    The belief system expressed by Bill Johnson is not of God. He has stated that viable truth can be found only within the three year ministry of Jesus Christ on this earth. There are degrees of truth, he has said, adding anything written in Scripture prior to and after Christ’s earthly ministry has little, if any, importance than what Jesus stated and did during His ministry years. How more false can any statement be when we are told in 2 Timothy 3:16-17, “ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

    Matthew 13:52, “Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things NEW and OLD.”

  17. David Brayshaw says:

    For thirty years, I worked for the local VA hospital. I witnessed men and women return home from battlefields in conditions beyond imagination. Many were missing parts of their bodies, and within all my over forty years as a Spirit filled Christian, I have never witnessed a single paraplegic or quadriplegic get healed through anyone’s prayers. Legs and arms simply do not grow back.

    And so, the emphasis in healing services must always be about the hidden parts of the body. Never do such preachers focus on reaching out to veterans to grow out their limbs. Why not? Because healing miracles are testified only in regard to hidden parts of the body like headaches and cancer.

    • Barbara Reyff says:

      Your experience does not change the word of God. Do you think God can’t heal outward parts as He does inward parts. What scripture are you using (after the cross) to justify that position? God created EVERYTING and He can FIX ANYTHING.

  18. John says:

    Sounds like a lot of forming theology according to failed experiences as opposed to the promises of God in His Word. Religion is built on a foundation of half hearted “fans” of God with no power justifying why they can’t do what the prophets, Jesus and the disciples were able to do by the promise of God through the Holy Spirit. Too many have given up instead of diving deeper in. They would rather die to the promises than die to themselves so that the promises will come to pass through them.

    Let God be true and every man a liar. If I fail it is because I am not in line with the Word, I don’t know The Father or His Son whom He sent, and certainly not the Holy Spirit who was sent to bring to me EVERYTHING that is in the Father’s heart. Above all… it is selfishness for me not to die for the Kingdom of Heaven to come to this earth through me. If I fail, the Word tells me why and how to fix it, it doesn’t justify the failure.

  19. Barbara Reyff says:

    You will never be healed if you are asking God if it is His will. Jesus healed them all and so that is the Father’s will. Tell me what scripture you are using (after the cross) to concluded it is NOT always God’s will.

  20. Kris says:

    Have to say it’s a shame that the body of Christ is being divided because some have a different interpretation of the doctrine. Jesus said He is the same yesterday today and forever. There is a thing called righteous judgment but that is to be done out of love. If you don’t agree with these teachings of healings then dont listen. Pray for those you disagree with, not condemn. A house divided can not stand. How good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity!” (Psalm 133:1).

  21. dean says:

    If you claim that you have special powers to heal , then unless you can heal an amputee, you have no credibility. You will notice that these miracle workers can never heal amputees. When Jesus healed, the miracles were credible and observable. Its pretty hard to fake 2 legs growing back. Don’t be deceived by the teachings of bethel.

  22. Lindy says:

    Doesn’t the Bible COMMAND us to judge a prophet’s teachings and compare them with the Bible? And test the Spirits? Just because something is supernatural, does not mean it is from God. I lean a bit more charismatic than the author, Hank. I believe it is God’s will for us to be well spiritually, emotionally and physically — the WHOLE person. I have seen miracles, and believe there is a spiritual aspect to health.

    Recently come across several Christians enamored with Bill Johnson’s teaching at Bethel. Perhaps these Christians are drawn to the supernatural element at Bethel, or experience. I don’t know. I have found it difficult to express my reservations Bill Johnson’s teachings without these people becoming defensive. I am at a loss with how to talk to them without them becoming mad at me, or highly offended. Maybe I should just speak the truth and not worry if they’re offended. I think there may be a mixture of Spirits with this movement, both the Holy Spirit and other spirits — which is one reason the Bethel church has so much confusion. I am extremely uncomfortable with Bill JOhnson’s teachings, and the grave soaking just puts it over the top. Really — grave soaking? For Christians? Shouldn’t this practice be called “soaking in the demons”? Anyone who wants to go along with “grave soaking” probably doesn’t read the Bible enough to know that God warns us not to engage in these type of practices. If we want to know the truth, we need to listen to God, read our Bible and be willing to obey God! That simple!

    Derek Prince is quite articulate in shedding light on some of the church movements, such as Bethel. Derek Prince describes the Holy Spirit, according to the Bible, and points out that there is a counterfeit Holy Spirit. The apostle Paul states in the Bible that “Satan masquerades as an angel of light — he tries to counterfeit what is of God: so there is a counterfeit praying in tongues, a counterfeit Holy Spirit and false Spirits (not of God), lying signs and wonders. Just because something is supernatural does not mean it is from God. And yes — that even includes healing. We are to test the spirits and judge someone’s teaching. An example: Reiki healing is not from God.

    (For more on Derek Prince’s teaching article, see

    In Thessalonians 2:9–12.

    The coming of the lawless one [that’s the title of the anti-christ] is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    This verse is scary. If we don’t love the truth, we will believe a strong delusion and be among those who perish! Think about it! The Holy Spirit is self-controlled, convicts us of our sin and points us towards God. There’s a problem with just seeking a”spiritual” or supernatural experience without discerning whether it is from God. There is a youtube video where Heidi Baker,a guest speaker at Bethel and sanctioned by Bill Johnson, imparts a “spirit” to a young man during service — this young man writhes and screams in agony. Since when does the HOly Spirit impart pain and agony into a person? It’s not found in the Bible. And did Jesus run around and scream “Fire” to his followers? NO! Jesus healed EVERYONE who came to him — even if they didn’t repent (9 of the 10 lepers). Jesus extended grace to the sinners and healed all who came to him. But he never did this type of impartation. Folks, read your Bible, believe God and obey HIs commandments! It will keep you from false teachers and false practices!

    Sorry, but I am going to RUN from teachings like Bill Johnson’s, and false manifestations of the Holy Spirit. RUN!!!!!

    • Linda Murphy says:

      Seriously. …this is exactly what the enemy wants. Christians resisting others Christians. We have enough resistance in this world. The only way to war against the emeny is to link arns with other christians from others churches and fugjt against the lies of the enemy. I feel sorry if you believe you are a christian but have this mentality.

  23. Jacqui says:

    Please read the whole of James Ch 4 and 5 instead of picking out an isolated verse, so that you are not blinded. Note that the verse before the one you pick out as being proof that we should pray ‘if it is your will’ talks about how we shouldn’t criticise our brothers, which is an emphasis of the chapter. He is talking to arrogant people that are friends with the world and not God who in their own arrogance, apart from God speaking into their life, boldly declare they will go here or there for a year, boasting in what they will earn, which is why he addresses their arrogance and says that they will only do that if God is willing, because as it says earlier God opposes the proud. This is not referring to healing, as later, in chapter 5 he addresses this by saying that if anyone is sick, he should go to the elders and be prayed for and the prayer of faith will raise him up.

  24. Nikki L Comley says:


    Satan also has the power to make things feel electrifying, exciting and heal! I encourage you to sit with God all alone on a regular basis and read the Bible by yourself and seek Him for clarity. We’re in a World today where there are SO many false teachers teaching charasmatic and false doctrines which God forewarns us of. On judgement day it won’t really matter what religion or what church any of us attend because there won’t be any religion in the new Heaven and Earth and once God opens the Book of Life….if your name isn’t on that (or mine) list then any one of us will simply be left behind. I was saved back in 2001 & thought I was a Christian but was living by today’s standards. Last year I went to a church, was filled with the Holy Spirit and after that experience God REALLY changed my life & opened my eyes to how I was living. I was living like a normal person. He immediately healed me from smoking (yes, most people don’t smoke but I did about 2 cigarettes a day), then I was told that sex before marriage actually was a BIG deal to God! I’ve now vowed to God to wait (even though I’m 49 & never been married and have lived with 2 boyfriends) until I get married & if I don’t then that’s fine with me. He showed me that he is SO TRUE to His Word! He even answers questions for me. I strongly encourage you to get to know Him personally on a deeper level. I can’t tell you how much I’ve learned from Him, how much he’s changed me, blessed me but I still have a long way to go. I was going to a church in Sacramento for 13 years and it was AWESOME….but most churces today aren’t teaching what God wants taught. Bill Johnson- I watched a few videos and he seems to be more interested in his agenda whether it be biblical or not. He also gets annoyed when the church attendees don’t respond the way he thinks they should which seems like he’s wanting to be praised & lifted up. He’s also very clever with his words and mixing them up and uses big words to confuse which would be my very first sign to run as fast as I could. You’ll obviously make your own judgement as anyone should. I understand how difficult it is to let go of something we love & get defensive about something when it’s criticized… believe me I’ve been there….but is it really worth giving up YOUR salvation for? That’s something I have to ask myself all of the time now & the answer comes pretty fast now. May God bless you.

  25. The author has rightly identified Bethel as a “toxic ministry.” I lived in Modesto. I saw many Christians before and after Bethel. They were ruined. Health was destroyed, financial lives completely reversed from almost-retired to desperately needing work… people died. Marriages ended. Friendships were destroyed. Strange rashes broke out on people. I compiled many of these stories in an article called “Lives Destroyed by the NAR.”
    The toxicity is real. Do not simply stay away. Run away. Repent and break unholy soul ties. Cast out devils and unclean spirits from laying on of hands in “fire tunnels” and strange fire meetings. Seek God’s guidance for freedom.
    It is a move of the devil. A move designed to fool Christians into working witchcraft (e.g. opening portals in the heavens… a typical sorcery act intended to allow demons into our realm of reality.)

  26. CuteLittleChristian says:

    Was attending Bethel School of Ministry for four months … very disappointing. Familiar spirits tormented broken people faking being filled with the Spirit . Making a huge show out of everything , fighting to build their carriers and a name for themselves not really getting into bible basics which is living a righteous life . Listening to Kris’s revelation of Angels that appeared in the black leather underwear and stuff like that.. not attacking just being honest. But most alarming is that there is a constant heaviness and depression in the place people who were fine leaving that place heavy and depressed and suicadal thinking devil is attacking them for Jesus and so on… stay alert. Love Holy Spirit love the gifts believe in healings but don’t want familiar spirits 🙂

  27. Donna says:

    Oh my Lord Jesus. Did you Jesus not walk through crowds and people were healed? Does your word Lord not say “all good is from the father above”? Does your word not say “Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever”?”. I am not saying Bill Johnson or Todd White are you Jesus but they have Your Spirit within them, read your word i love and act in love for all people who hear Your voice God, Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit. Look at what they say and why the actually do what they do out of LOVE for people needing all that you ave for them,: God the Father, Jesus the Savior and the Holy Spirit. I am not talking Catholicism. I am taking about HOPE for the weary, the lost and those living in search of a Savior-Jesus.Grace and Mercy. Do not condemn the things of God that you do not understand. John 3:17 “For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world but that the word through Him might be saved” My dad was a Baptist Theological Seminary graduate and I grew up from birth in various Baptist churches. Many Baptists do not hae the fu gifts of the spirit but I pray those gifts will be received soon by everyone..

  28. Ben Plumb says:

    Kris, could not agree more! How much more can be achieved in love and praying FOR each other than in animosity agaist each other as a large family in Jesus?

    I pray for Hank Hannegraaf to encounter the perfect love of our Father at this very moment to open his eyes and heart to God’s extravagant love. Everything changes for the better when we encounter Him! Once I was blind, but now I see. John 9:25.

    God did not create us to have a platform based on what we disagree with or stand against, but to live for the one One in whom we believe. If we do that well, we will be known for our love for others and we will shine brightly with great strength and power for a sick and lost generation, and that absolutely includes living and moving signs and wonders which cause them to encounter His love for them–just like Jesus did! Whoever believes in me will do the works I do, and even greater things shall you do in my name, for I go to the Father – John 14:12.

    What good are we to a dying world if we have no power from God to give hope and share His love with a people who are sick and broken?

    Jesus healed every person who came to him–not one left without a transformation in the least, their health. Was not this same spirit of accusation brought against Jesus during his 3 years of public ministry? See the pharasaical spirit for the fraud that it is. That same spirit of disunity and accusation needs to be brought before Jesus in repentance and we need to learn to truly love, encourage and pray for our brothers and sisters in the Lord. I know that the one you are accusing prays for God’s best for you, Hank, despite your public words of disagreement. I’ve heard him do it, yet with grace and not in calling you out by name in the process.

    Good fruit is evident. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Demons can’t heal, only by the power of God. Don’t rebuke love in action by the God you profess. A lack of godly wisdom builds a theology around a lack of experience and understanding. Jesus is the only good theology, living in power from the Holy Spirit through his relationship with the Father. As you learn to love more like Jesus, you will no longer look to accuse others in Christ for the things that are simply unfamiliar to you. We are all at different places in our journey in becoming more like Him, so have grace for others, and it will be shown to you as well. Let’s instead build the kingdom of Heaven together, not tear it down by denouncing our fellow believers in the faith.

    • Brian M says:

      Yes Ben, Jesus healed everyone who came to Him!! It’s very crucial we know what His will is for us. He also happens to be loving father so of course He wants us healed for Pete’s sake.

      It’s so hard for people to believe that God actually performs miracles. No, it has to be the devil’s doing

  29. Brian M says:

    Hi Hank. Thanks so much for your article, you must have put so much time and it is.

    Although I must say though, there are quite a number of things I don’t agree with. Firstly it surprises me that you took so much time to write a book on counterfeit Revival. I mean seems as if you spent so much time on a negative thing, why not use that time to actually write something positive, something that’s building something that’s fruitful?

    Whenever we pray for something and that thing doesn’t come to pass we always then assume, it’s part of God’s sovereign will. But nothing could be further from the truth. What is His word saying? That unanswered prayer, is it a promise in the bible? Then maybe, just maybe He wants us to have it. Hank God doesn’t want you to be sick. I pray that you have a speedy recovery!

    We all have someone we think is the “wolf in sheep’s clothing” but I like a quote Bill said (which happens to be a verse) “never criticise a servant to His Master”

  30. Clay says:

    I’ve been so blessed, encouraged, growing in faith and strengthened in my spirit by the ministry of Bill Johnson. He directs people to personal encounters to our Father through the finished work of Jesus. So good. Bless you all.

  31. Aryan says:

    The important is that we are all blessed by God. Let’s not judge by mistakes. No matter how the church disappoints you or had a mistake, let us still respect the church because it’s a sacred place.

  32. Viv says:

    I spent 2 years in a church in New Zealand where the pastor only taught whatever Bill Johnson taught. I am a mature Christian who loves the Lord. In my eagerness and desire to know Him better the second year at the church I attended the supernatural school of ministry this church had going every sunday evening. All the teachings were directly from Bethel’s school known as BSSM. I found myself becoming more and more confused by the teachings. I was very disturbed in my spirit, and spend week after week going over things and trying to make sense of stuff. The character of our local pastor was not one of love, but I saw manipulation and control, this also was a red flag for me. He also desired to be treated the same as Mr Johnson, where no one is allowed to question what is taught, one is only allowed to honour the pastor. If anyone left the church they were considered to be leaving the Kingdom, the one Bill Johnson taught. The Kingdom according to Mr Johnson is a dominionist theology where christians have to take over the earth through arts, media, business, schools, politics etc. and only once christians are ruling the earth will Jesus be able to return. This is not scriptural. After a year of these supernatural teachings I was not in a good spiritual place, I wasn’t even sure if I was saved anymore. I left the church and spend 5 years praying and seeking God for truth. I researched Bill Johnson and anyone he associated with. I was previously in churches that embraced the Toronto Blessing so I examined my entire christian life and teachings. Step by step I went back to the basics and rebuilt my foundation back on the simplicity of Jesus and the gospel. The Lord was faithful to help me understand the falseness of the teachings, the false spirits at work etc. For those in it, it seems lovely, it has a seduction to it and what begins to happen is that everything you see or hear or read you filter through the teachings which helps you remain in the seduction. It isn’t my place to judge the hearts of people, I do not know Bill Johnson and many big names in the charismatic movement, but it is my place as a christian to examine any teachings from any christian and compare them to what the Bible says. It is a painful process to realize that what you thought was God and what you pursued as truth – was not so. The Lord convicted me of seeking power through means of payment – paying for books, DVD’s, conferences etc. paying people because they said they had revelations and anointings and power that we as christians needed to have. The Lord showed me I was no different to the man who wanted to pay Paul so he could have the gift of laying his hands on people to impart the Holy Spirit. He said people are seeking His power without going to Him. Now in my own mind I wasn’t seeking power, I was seeking Him, but God did not view it like that. I had to come into agreement with God and repent. He showed me that people make the DvD’s and books etc. in such a way as to present what they want christians to believe and hear about their ministries. He showed me the way truth is used like bait on a hook, and the hooks are the lies that entangle us because we don’t see them surrounded by truths we are familiar with. He also showed me that just like Eve was deceived by the serpent in the garden by being told she could be like God, (essentially that God had not given her everything there was to receive from Him), I too bit the fruit offered to me because I believed the many words from big christians that say: there is more to God then what you have got now, there is more you need to get from Him, you need to go deeper etc. When scripture says that God through His divine power has given us everything for life and godliness through knowing Jesus His son 2 Peter 1:3 God set me free to know and believe that Jesus is enough. That whatever gifts He gives me are for the building up and edification of His church, they are His gifts. Whatever power is at work in and through me, is His and His alone. I can lay no claims to being able to heal, or deliver or give a prophetic word, those are His works. I am His clay vessel for His service and for the building of His Kingdom, as, when and how He chooses to do it. These are lessons I have learnt while seeking Him for the truth of what I was involved in. Shalom.

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